Re: Planet X: the UNWISE Astronomer

"JTRIV" <JTRIV@home.com> wrote in message news:3C6B706B.DE8D00FC@home.com...
> Steve,
> Do you realize how small the detected slowing is? From your own
> link Pioneer 10 is traveling at 27,000 miles per hour is slowing
> by 6 MPH per CENTURY! The forces is estimated to be a
> 10 billionth of Earth's gravity.
>
> I know Zeta supporters get excited hearing about a mysterious
> force in space that scientists don't understand. Do you feel that
> because this small mystery exists that the Zeta Planet X can
> accelerate at phenomenal speeds to arrive in 2003 then slow as it
> nears the sun as Nancy claims? This would not be a tiny fraction
> of a percent off the expected motions but hundreds of times
> greater than possible.

If this mystery force is so new and so un-understood that science is only
beginning to recognize that it even exists based on observed minute affects
on space probes over an extended period of time then I imagine scientist
have even less of an idea how planets are affected by this force. The Zeta's
had previously commented on this mystery force...
http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use00792.htm
And the Zetas explain:

    Why do the probes slow? It is not gravity, the Sun
    pulling these probes back, but particle flows that
    mankind is currently unaware of. Why do the planets
    in the solar system all line up into the ecliptic plane?
    This phenomena occurs in the rings around Saturn
    also, and in the oceans of Earth which are fatter at
    the equator than at the poles.  Visible matter, the
    planets and rings and oceans, that mankind can SEE,
    are slung faster from the waist of a rotating sun or
    planet than at the poles, a matter of momentum  But
    it is not the SLING that keeps them at the waist, as a
    sling alone would not keep them nicely in place, a
    ring around the waist.  There is a return of some type,
    with the return coming back into the rotating sun or
    planet at the poles, and then flowing in the direction
    of the waist, to fill the gap caused by the sling.  This
    is not caused by the flow of gravity particles, as the
    flow of gravity particles is even.  Does an object weigh
    more at the poles than at the equator?  Nor is this the
    flow of magnetic particles, as the rings around Saturn
    and the planets in the ecliptic assume their position
    regardless of magnetic properties.

    The solar wind is not visible to man, yet its effect on
    comet tails is quite visible.  Likewise, the flow of these
    particles, unknown to mankind, which force the planets
    into the ecliptic plane, can be inferred from the fact
    that the ecliptic exists, alone.  The probes, propelled
    beyond the grip of the Sun's gravitational field to where
    their momentum can counteract this draw, were expected
    to float along at a predictible rate, yet are doing so more
    slowly.  The answer lies in the wash BACK of the particle
    flows that keep the planets bobbling in the ecliptic plane
    and the rings of Saturn so neatly in a thin line.  Just as
    the fatter oceans around Earth's equator flow toward the
    poles, thense wrapping around in deep ocean current back
    toward the equator, this particle flow is not even in the
    pressure it exerts.  There is pressure from the side as well
    as BACK toward the rotating sun or planet that is the
    gravitational giant holding the bobbling matter in its grip.
    The closer the bobbling matter is to the equator of a rotating
    object, the more pressure there is from the side, pushing
    the matter into the ring or ecliptic plane.

    The probes were in part sent out to explore the planets in
    the solar system, and were directed by their jets or a
    gravitational sling around the planets being visited during
    their voyage.  Thus, the force of gravity from the Sun alone
    was not the single force influencing the probes until they
    floated to where they are today.  They now, presumably,
    have only their momentum and the gravity pull from the
    Sun as factors in their pace.  Add to this the factor of a
    returning particle flow, pushing outward at the ecliptic
    but immediately upon leaving the ecliptic plane flowing
    BACK toward the Sun. As the particle flow leaves the
    ecliptic, it is flowing toward the SIDE, away from the
    ecliptic, but in the backward trip, it is buffeting from the
    other side, as the currents of this flow become circular
    around the ecliptic close in, as well as circular in broad
    circles that extent to the poles of the Sun.  This buffeting
    from the side affects the rate of escape in the probes, as
    they are making side trips, this way and that, however
    infintesimal, and THIS likewise takes time.   How would
    it not?  If a man walks in a forward motion only, he will
    arrive faster than another who takes the time to dance to
    the side, this way or that, now and then.
        ZetaTalk™

> Did you also read the part that said "The bizarre behavior has
> also eliminated the possibility that the two probes are being
> affected by the gravitational pull of unknown planets beyond the
> solar system"? Pioneer 10 is almost 80 AU out in the direction of
> Taurus, not far from Orion. No pull of gravity has been found
> from a mystery planet or a dead sun.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Steve Havas wrote:
>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/02/10/wnasa10.xml&
>>
>> "Scientists initially suspected that gas escaping from tiny rocket motors
>> aboard the probes, or heat leaking from their nuclear power plants might be
>> responsible. Both have now been ruled out. The team says no current theories
>> explain why the force stays constant: all the most plausible forces, from
>> gravity to the effect of solar radiation, decrease rapidly with distance."

Steve Havas