Re: Pole Shifts - Should We Care?

In Article <NbWc7.19$k7.326@reggie.win.bright.net> Thomas McDonald wrote:
>> 1. the mammoths were frozen solid, please deal with
>>    DID NOT THAW thereafter
>
> The high-arctic areas involved had then, and have today,
> permafrost beneath a thin active layer that thaws in the
> spring.  Permafrost, Nancy, permafrost. (Please note that
> your version, with repeated "flash freezing" events, also
> depends upon there having been a consistent permafrost from
> ca 50,000 years ago until today. ...)

Please note that mammoths found frozen and in fresh condition are dated
RECENTLY, from 3-4,000 to 10,000 years ago. The Discovery Channel Jarkov
mammoth is estimated to be 20,000 or 23,000 years old.  At the time of
their entombment, the permafrost WAS NOT even frozen, else they would
not have become encased in it.  Something happened to
    1. bring water upon them, as they were frozen in ice
    2. freeze this water whereby it did not thaw thereafter.

A shifting crust, with the type of flood tide that occurs during such
time, would
    1. flood the relatively low-lying sea elevation of Siberia in water
    2. move the crust north so that this became never melting ice

From: Jim I. Mead[SMTP:Jim.I.Mead@NAU.EDU]
Sent: 14 November 1997 16:13
To: michaeld@unicall.be

    Dear Michael,
    You apparently sent a message regarding mammoths to Mike
    Jacobs, who forwarded it to me. I will see if I can help.

    1. Is it so that mammoths almost disappeared about 10,000
       years ago? That the mammoths massively moved around
       that time towards other regions, from north africa to
       northern europe & asia?

        ANSWER:
        Yes, it appears from the youngest accurate radiocarbon dates
        place the extinction of the mammoth at about 11,000 years
        ago. This certainly seems to be the case in North America.
        Andrey Sher in Russia seems to have very good evidence
        that mammoths (pygmy) may have persisted on an island
        between Alaska and Siberia until about 4,000 years ago.
        Mammoths are just a type of elephant and evolved in
        Africa and immigrated to other regions at various times.
        There are some great books in English and German about
        mammoths.

    2. Is it so that mammoths were frozen in the Siberian ices
       about 7.000 years ago?

        ANSWER:
        I don't know about accurate ages of 7,000 years, but there
        are a number of mammoths dating much earlier. I have
        worked on only one mammoth - it radiocarbon dated to about
        23,000 years old.

    3. Is it so that the few remaining mammoths disappeared
       about 3,500 years ago ? Do we know how the number of
       mammoths changed between 10,000 years ago and 4,000
       years ago ?

        ANSWER:
        It appears that most died out about 11,000 years ago, but as
        I mentioned above there appears (?) to be a relict population
        living until about 4,000 or maybe 3,000 years ago in an Arctic
        island.

    4. Does science have an explanation for these changes? Sudden
       storms? Sudden climate changes?

        ANSWER:
        Well, like any subject, there are a number of opinions out there.
        Paul Martin would say that mammoths died out because of
        over hunting by humans. This may be possible or probable in
        some areas of the world. I feel that it was a rapid change in
        climate, which changed the environment, and may have gotten
        too warm for them. Not sure. Lots more to learn and find out.

     You may want to get hold of people at The Mammoth Site, Hot
     Springs, South Dakota. Let me know if you have more questions.

     Sincerely yours,
     Jim I. Mead
     Chair, Department of Geology
     Director, Quaternary Studies Program

Intact Mammoth to be Carved from Siberian Tundra
Reuters, July 23, 1999

    An adult woolly mammoth mummified 23,000 years ago
    under Siberia's frozen tundra will be dug out of the
    permafrost and may one day be cloned, an international
    team of scientists said on Thursday.