Re: Planet X - Why is it Moving so Fast?
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:33:49 -0500, Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@zetatalk.com> wrote:
> In Article <3B355318.5B2B8B0@internetProvider.net> Vencislav wrote:
>> I don't have formulas on top of my head to calculate
>> the position and time needed for a planet/comet
>> to come close to the Earth and Sun from a distance
>> which is 9 times that of Pluto-Sun, but it seems to
>> me that less then 2 years is to short. I don't think
>> that Planet X can prevail the distance of
>> 9 x 40 a.u. = 360 a.u. for about 2 years...
>> Any ideas on this question?
>
> In Article <pthZ6.7448$3d3.592380@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Jowr wrote
>> I find the idea of a orbital velocity of ~530 miles
>> per second to be a tad...off, especially when earth's
>> is what, 18 or 19 mi/s?
>
> In Article <litbjtc52i4ke6nbd29h3na9t1ctq72d3i@4ax.com> Jimmy Joe wrote:
>> Taking data from a 'Distance Table' found at this URL,
>> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/Tword03a.htm
>> and calculating a 'Velocity' column from the given data
>> points, shown at the bottom of this note, one finds an
>> approximate speed of about 2000 miles/second at the
>> time PX allegedly penetrates the ecliptic, passing some
>> 37 million miles from Earth's orbit, according to this URL:
>> http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s31.htm
(snip)
>
> I was tied up for a couple days and came back to find this lovely
> discussion, initiated by someone OTHER than myself, going on like
> gangbusters! Of course, the Zetas have a comment or two.
This discussion was initiated because someone NOTICED that
data from your web site contains the following 3 pieces of
information:
1) Point A (PX) and Point B (Earth) are separated by
33.119 billion miles (9.012 Sun-Pluto units).
(http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/Tword03a.htm)
(Column='Apr. Date', entry='5/7/01')
2) Point A initial velocity is about 0 miles/second, at
least it's quite slow compared to later speeds.
(http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s100.htm)
('...vast majority of its time in an essential dither')
3) Point B arrival time is about 104 weeks from Point A.
(http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/Tword03a.htm)
(Column='Weeks to go')
The ones who noticed the above info also understood the
formula V=S/T, Velocity=Distance divided by Time, and upon
applying the data to the formula, came up with an *average*
velocity for the trip from Point A to Point B:
Velocity = 33.119 billion miles / 104 weeks
V(average) = 526 miles/second
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why is this speed important?
BECAUSE THE ESCAPE VELOCITY AT THE SURFACE
OF THE SUN IS ONLY 384 MILES/SECOND!!!
(http://www.krysstal.com/solarsys.html)
My apologies for the shouting text, but the SIGNIFICANCE is
that PX, traveling at this *average* speed will NEVER slow
down enough to go into an orbit.
BUT WAIT! IT GETS EVEN WORSE!!! By taking all the column
data for 'Weeks to go' and 'Distance in B. mls' from the URL
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/Tword03a.htm, and plotting a
velocity curve for each successive pair of distance and time
points (see JJ note on 06/24, same thread)...
THE TRUE VELOCITY OF PX AT THE EARTH PASSING
POINT IS ABOUT 2000 MILES/SECOND!!!
THAT IS MORE THAN 5 TIMES THE ESCAPE VELOCITY
AT THE SURFACE OF THE SUN!
I did NOT take these numbers out of thin air.
I did NOT find these numbers in a dream.
I did NOT take these numbers from a spy.
I did NOT find these numbers in a conspiracy group.
THESE DATA WERE TAKEN FROM YOUR OWN WEB SITE AND
WERE USED TO CALCULATE AVERAGE AND TRUE VELOCITY OF PX
AT THE POINT IT IS SUPPOSED TO PASS OUR SUN.
And regarding the information you posted in your previous
note (shown at the bottom) about what the Zetas have say in
comment to the previous messages on this 'velocity matter',
I must ask:
When you produced the 'Distance Table' from the previously
noted URL, you DID take into account the effect on the
arrival of PX the below mentioned...
'ILL EFFECTS', the
'GRAVITY DRAW', the
'GRAVITY PARTICLE STREAMS EMITTED BY THE SUN', the
'REDUCING MASS OF THE SUN', the
'PERTUBATIONS FROM EARTH OR OTHER PLANETS, the
'REPULSION FORCE OF GRAVITY, and the
'SOLAR WIND',
...didn't you? If you did, then PX is STILL going to be
going 2000 miles/second when it passes the Sun. How can the
Zetas ever hope to slow it down?
JJ
N 24* 13'
E120* 39'
>
> Speed, in space, is a relative thing. Your submarines
> move more slowly than your cars because they deal
> with less drag. Likewise, objects shot into space or
> incoming feel little distress when out where the
> atmosphere is negligible, and tend to heat up and
> burn when in the thick of Earth's atmosphere. Thus,
> objects in space have NO ill effects from a high speed,
> other than what they might encounter. What might
> that be, in the case of Planet X, which we have
> described as traversing the solar system from one side
> of Saturn's orbit to the other in 3 short months.
>
> Gravity draw from the Sun
>
> Human scientists who deal with gravity as some
> mysterious "force", unexplained except by the math
> that DESCRIBES it, would be boggled by the path of
> Planet X we have described. An object comes on, and
> depending upon its speed it will either pass by a
> gravity draw, with an "escape velosity", or be drawn
> in to crash, ultimately, on the surface of the gravity
> draw or into some sort of circular or eliptical orbit.
> So the theory goes. Apply the particle explanation to
> the force of gravity, as we have described it, and you
> have another scenario, which by the way explains why
> your Moon remains UP there when according to
> Newton it should not. Planet X is, of course, drawn
> by the gravity pull of the Sun, and thus its periodic
> passage. But it is also pushed away by the gravity
> particle streams emitted by the Sun, which can be
> described as a fire hose of force, meeting the fire hose
> of force from Planet X itself. They buffer away from
> each other, forcing the speeding Planet X to BYPASS
> the Sun, at a distance based on its mass and the mass
> of the Sun. The reducing mass of the Sun explains
> why Planet X is coming closer, during its passage, at
> the present time, than its past passage which were
> through the Asteroid Belt.
>
> Perturbations from Earth or Other Planets
>
> This is a variable that depends on speed as well as
> mass. By the time Planet X enters the solar system,
> its speed toward the Sun ensure that it will move past
> any other planet, including Jupiter, that it may come
> close to. Should Jupiter stand directly in the path of
> Planet X during a passage, this would case a
> perturbation on OTHER planets that would
> temporarily change their paths, but they would both
> resume essentially the same orbit or path after the
> encounter. The speed of Planet X ensures this, as
> does the significant mass of both these planets. Were
> Planet X to encounter a smaller object, such as
> occurred in the Asteroid Belt in the past, it would
> either be treated like a meteor or if large enough to
> engage the Repulsion Force of gravity, become a
> moon satellite of Planet X as many objects have.
> The pelting to pieces that occured in the Asteroid
> Belt was due to collisions of objects not of significant
> size to invoke the Repulsion Force. Small planets,
> passing close to Planet X during its high-speed
> passage, might become a satellite moon, or be
> pelted to pieces by one of Planet X's trailing moons,
> though this has by change not occurred except in the
> heavily crowded Asteroid Belt, which contained
> some 24 planets and various moons of same prior
> to the past passages.
>
> Solar Wind
>
> The effect on Planet X is, as with meteors entering
> your atmosphere, peripheral, so that the outer edges
> of the atmosphere are altered, peeled off in the worst
> case, and need to be rebuilt from the oceans that
> cover most of Planet X. This same atmosphere
> rebuilding occurs after the passage on Earth, from
> its oceans, as we have described. Temporarily, the
> clouds are lower on Earth, but the adjustment is
> remarkably quick, so that survivors are unaware of
> anything other than a lower cloud cover during the
> first few months.
>
> ZetaTalk™
