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Session Start: Sat Feb 22 14:22:10 2003
(QueenVee) Chief: i believe that has been answered before, but i will tentatively put it on the agenda....
(WestCoast) http://store.yahoo.com/safetycentral/selpowfreepa.html
(ZodUseThisOne) This taking of life/injurying others in order to protect yourself and family is TOUGH call to make.
(QueenVee) HELLO AND WELCOME NANCY
(NancyL) Hello all, I have a few SIGNS of the TIMES if anyone is interested.
(QueenVee) great!
(Masisoar) interested
(ZodUseThisOne) Greetinng Nancy
(QueenVee) THE FLOOR IS YOURS NANCY
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #1: Alternative Explanation for Planet X
(NancyL) "Some have noticed that the orbital path of NEAT (C/2002 V1) as displayed on this NASA orbital animation site tell of NEAT (C/2002 V1) http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=3D2002+V1 Orbital Path as bringing it within .90 au on a May 15th date this year.
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/Ephemerides/Comets/2002V1.html"
(NancyL) "Not that V1 will be there at that date but that the orbital path is such that it is at its closest to earth on the May 15th date. During the May 15th date V1 will actually be some two million miles away from us on the other side of the sun. What is interesting is the May 15th orbital similarity."
(NancyL) "Some are watching for any other comets comming into solar system on the same orbit, for the purpose of monitoring it as one may expect it to end up coinciding with the May 15th date as the V1 path. It is thought that we would be seeing comets prior to Planet X as a indication that it is on the way. So the orbit is what is significant."
(NancyL) Nancy's Note: The Path page given to me in 1995 has Planet X on May 15, 2003 at about RA 4.1 Dec -7 at passage. Comet 2002/V1 is not at that point, being on May 16, 2003 at: RA 04 00.54 Dec -15 54.2 But close.
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #: (Another) Alternative Explanation for Planet
(NancyL) "I find it really interesting that the Arksky http://www.arksky.org/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=181 posting says comet Kudo-Fujikawa, 2002/X5, is currently passing through the constellation of Hercules, but in early April it should be passing through the Orion Nebula."
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #3: NASA Knows!
(NancyL) "Last May, 2002, I attended the Monolithic Dome Workshop in Italy Texas. This is a week long workshop, with hands on training that lasts between 8 to 10 hours a day. You get to know your fellow workshop attendees during this time, and there were about 30 in our whole group. Several were there learning to build domes for protection against the coming pole shift, others were just interested in promoting dome building in their areas."
(NancyL) "One contractor from Arizona became very agitated when a discussion of Planet X came up during a break early in the week, and for the rest of the time we were there, he continued to make snide remarks about survivalists, and "doomsdayers". I only paid any attention to him after his outbursts when I discovered why he was there. He said he had been sent to the workshop by his "clients" - a group of NASA engineers who independently had contracted him to build a Monolithic Dome complex in Arizona. "
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #4: Slowing!
(NancyL) From France, noting a 9 minute shift (delay) for Sun rise and setting, and a 1 second per day shift (delay) and increasing between real and radio-guided clocks. This has been added to the Slowing TOPIC. "The figures I use are old tables giving sun and moon risings. These are old documents I loaded from the net at that time. I compare them with official figures given on French newspapers, etc."
(NancyL) "The old figures are without shifts [changes by the Navy] for this period. A simple comparison between both sources seems to show a 9-minute shift. As I am concerned, I believe these [recent] time shifts [changes by the Navy] are not real but differences due to human actions to hide evidence [of slowing]. The old tables (assumed to be true and shift-free) I use for my comparisons are included."
(NancyL) "I continue to examine real moon phases and star movement shifts with great interest and am giving you my results. For the moment, I notice + or - 10 degree shift between expected star positions, corresponding to 24 minutes (180 degrees = 12 hours). But this figure is not totally sure because I have no real tool for measures."
(NancyL) "You can use the North Star as fix point and a visual hypothetic line rising from it and directed to the North pole. Then stay at the same place and look at a big star position compared with the line position. With software, you may see where the star is expected to be at the time of your observation and compare the both. Then 1 degree shift is equal to 2.4 minutes. I think it's a good and easy way to mesure time shift with stars."
(NancyL) "As clocks are concerned, I note an incresing shift between standard and radio guided [atomic, changed automatically by the Navy] clocks. My method is simple. I set 3 normal digital clocks equal to a radio guided [atomic, changed automatically by the Navy] clock. Few days later, the 3 standard clocks stay at the same hour/min/sec time but are not in synch with the radio guided one. For now, we loose almost 1 second per day, which is relatively important, I think."
(NancyL) End SIGNS of the TIMES
(NancyL) I also noted that the full moon did NOT come exactly on the date the calendar stated, but a day or two later.
(QueenVee) NANCY: some of those postings did not come through complete
(Beantown) Hi Nancy why are so many politicians running for presidential office in 2004
(QueenVee) NANCY: This is all that appeared under NASA KNOWS:
(QueenVee) (NancyL) Last May, 2002, I attended the Monolithic Dome Workshop in Italy Texas. This is a week long workshop, with hands on training that lasts between 8 to 10 hours a day. You get to know your fellow workshop attendees during this time, and there were about 30 in our whole group. Several were there learning to build domes for protection against the coming pole shift, others were just interested in promoting dome building in their areas
(QueenVee) IS THAT ALL THERE WAS?
(Frank) Is May 15th still the date?
(Dim) I do have a question for the Zeta's if it isn't too late. Will firepistons be effective enough to start a fire in the aftertime?
(Tekk) Q: If the Earth is slowing, wouldn't time have to be adjusted to compensate?
(NancyL) The log will show them complete, as they did not truncate on my log here. Not sure what the problem is.
(QueenVee) okay, nancy
(QueenVee) QUESTION FOR NANCY, BEFORE ZETATALK:
(NancyL) Queen, that was the end of that line, the following a continuation of the SIGN.
(NancyL) Oops, should have had a period there!
(QueenVee) George Noory recently said he planned to have you back again. Has he confirmed a date with you yet?
(Frank) Nancy is the winter going to last really long?
(NancyL) I have not gotten an invite by phone or email as yet. That's good news tho :-)
(QueenVee) He said that just the other night apparently
(NancyL) They said AFTER 5/15/2003 during my last session with him.
(QueenVee) said he would definitely be having you again before May 15
(NancyL) Dim, whatever you can use to start a fire now, will work then. Flint is good, yes.
(QueenVee) Ready for first question, Nancy?
(NancyL) Tekk, NASA adjusts all "atomic" clocks via radio, they check in, get the adjustment. Manual clocks are not so adjusted.
(NancyL) All PC Network clocks also adjust that way, checking into Navy (oops, said NASA, meant Navy).
(NancyL) They do this at night. Thus network computer reflect the "updated" time.
(NancyL) Your home PC most likely does NOT check in, unless set to do so, and one of mine that has been running since 1999 is now about 15 min fast.
(NancyL) Queen, good news :-)
(QueenVee) ready?
(NancyL) There were new images taken by Naji last night, but will not be available for download until sometime Mon/Tues, because we put them on the UK and Slovenian servers and this all takes time.
(NancyL) Ready!
(QueenVee) very good news
(QueenVee) FIRST QUESTION: There has been much discussion about an apparent "editing" of the recent SOHO images of Comet NEAT as it passed the sun. Has NASA indeed edited the images for public consumption, and if so, why? Also, will there be any effects on earth from the passing of Comet NEAT?
(NancyL) ZT: Alternate explanations for the inbound and highly visible Planet X complex were predicted by us over a year ago, but have been slow to arrive as this would have given us, the Zetas, another Zetas RIGHT Again! posting on sci.astro.
(NancyL) ZT: They are now in evidence, en mass.
(NancyL) ZT: Comet 2002/V1, also known as NEAT V1, has been noted by many to be in the vicinity of our location for Planet X, as viewed from Earth, on or about May 15, 2003.
(NancyL) ZT: This would seem like a remarkable coincidence, but comets are hardly likely to be mistaken for the Planet X complex, which will be red, primarily, and so MUCH larger than comet bodies tails that a misunderstanding could hardly exist.
(NancyL) ZT: However, the desperate will grasp at any explanation to confuse the man on the street.
(NancyL) ZT: A comet has a whitish appearance, a tail or tails that stream DIRECTLY away from the Sun, in a straight line.
(NancyL) ZT: Planet X will have a distinct red appearance, with a roiling tail full of moons, that are more concerned with the dance between them than any affect the solar wind might have upon them.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the swirl, and look like a dragon approaching, NOT a straight line tail at all.
(NancyL) ZT: Nevertheless, we anticipate NASA will explain the Planet X complex as any number of things, or rather their lackies, who will natter the word on every Internet or media source that allows their nattering.
(NancyL) ZT: Asteroid bunch, passing comet, unusual comet, Mars closest pass in many econs, or whatever.
(NancyL) ZT: The point to emphasize to friends and family, or when debating to counter this nonsense, is that the Planet X complex is EXACTLY where we stated it would be, in 1995.
(NancyL) ZT: It will be TRACKED to that location, regularly, by the imaging ongoing, so cannot be mistaken for something that arrived from another direction.
(NancyL) ZT: It will have the APPEARANCE that the regular imaging has displayed, the SIZE of spread in the moons and tail, and the BRIGHTNESS of the corpus in the images.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the best way to counter this type of disinformation, which will be utterly lacking in integrity as is the halmark of NASA, is to regularly point the public to the images, the long track record of this inbound complex following our coordinates EXACTLY, and the appearance of this inbound complex as displayed on the images.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, you will frustrate the plans to disinform the public, to their death, to the deaths of their loved ones, the littlest among them, babes in arms and toddlers, as NASA and the elite would have them die, horribly, uninformed, with no qualm whatsoever.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Gyflex) will the public be told tthat it is comet NEAT they are seeing in the day time sky, come end of March?
(Ralf) Ekim it will spew out some junk
(QueenVee) but why did NASA edit the images?
(Ralf) err misfire
(Starstalker) Check out http://science.nasa.gov/spaceweather/swpod2003/21feb03/soho1.gif . If NASA has denied sun-comet interactions until now, why would they allow 2 major CME events to be seen on this video clip as the comet approaches the sun?
(NancyL) NEAT V1, or C2002/X5, or Mars, or any number of garbage explanation.
(QueenVee) Starstalker: what is your point?
(NancyL) I have gotten in email this past week alarms and Q's about a passing object that is 2.5 Jupter size, on May 15, 2003.
(Razhar) true or false
(NancyL) A brown dwarf, or black dwarf, and I ask if this info is coming from NASA or JPL but is apparently just rumor mongering on the Internet.
(Tekk) Could the Zs specify a certain pic, ANY pic, of PX, then describe exactly where the 'Highly Visible' PX, the moons etc., are?
(Starstalker) Re NASA editing, QueenVee
(WhizaDree4) http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/sohoslideshow.gif this is the image that questions nasa
(NancyL) ZT to Queen: The images are of course doctored, as it needs to be LARGER, more RED, well ahead of time.
(Warrior2021) Hi NancyL did the zetas now anything about the "Quantum jump" ?
(Obany) warrior2012: this is not a follow up question ...
(NancyL) ZT: This doctoring was done on images of Hale-Bopp also, when it was a real comet in the later months, and this is why the Hubble did not release images of Hale-Bopp, to this day!
(NancyL) ZT: Since this comet is only being imaged by NASA and the Hubble and closely monitored observatories at this time, they feel safe to do this.
(NancyL) End ZT to Queen.
(QueenVee) okay, i understand
(QueenVee) ready for next question?
(NancyL) Tekk, it is being recognized in ALL the images on the TEAM page, and ID's as such, so go look!\
(Johnnie5) yep.
(NancyL) Ready!
(Dim) To Zeta... Will NASA say that planet X is the NEAT comet?
(QueenVee) NEXT QUESTION: It is currently being speculated that during the military invasion and occupation of Iraq by American forces, China and/or North Korea will attempt to take advantage and singularly or in unison invade Taiwan and South Korea. Can the Zetas comment on whether China/North Korea are in fact planning along those lines?
(NancyL) ZT: China is hardly planning an invasion, to take advantage of US distraction, nor is N. Korea in fact hoping for any real conflict.
(NancyL) ZT: N. Korea, is looking for survival, for FOOD, for the necessities of life such as fuel, promised by the US and then withheld as the US stores have gotten tight, though the public is not told this.
(NancyL) ZT: They will run their planes over S. Korea, and lob test flights of missiles over Japan, or whatever it takes to get the attention of the US.
(NancyL) ZT: China hopes N. Koreas succeeds, as they also are having and have had great problems feeding their populace.
(NancyL) ZT: There are many long standing expectations that a global war, started in the area of Iraq and including China, will erupts during this time, the End Times.
(NancyL) ZT: These prophecies have been conjured up from Nostradamus interpretations, though he hardly was referring to any occurrences outside of his time, and others.
(NancyL) ZT: Many prophecies are in fact intelligent analysis of LIKLIHOOD, based on circumstances, and include the Middle East due to its oil rich status, and China due to its sleeping giant status.
(NancyL) ZT: China has been starving for decades, imposing birth control restrictions that reach to mandatory abortion to a couple having more than a single child.
(NancyL) ZT: The soil has LONG been washed away by the Yellow River and other such erosion, the population overburdening the countryside for millennia.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it is assumed that this country, during a time of starvation and increasing crop shortages, would muster forth and invade other countries.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, oil has been known for several hundred years as a fuel, a ready fuel.
(NancyL) ZT: The birthplace of several religions in conflict - Christianity and Islam, are in the Middle East, and these have been known for centuries to be at each other's throats.
(NancyL) ZT: The Crusades, for instance, pitted Islam against Christianity, and this has been KNOWN for centuries.
(NancyL) ZT: Add to this the prophecy of the AntiChrist, which is logical given the polarization that occurs going into a Transformation period such as the Earth is in.
(NancyL) ZT: Prophets therefore take all these matters into their head, stir the soup, and prophesy.
(NancyL) ZT: This does NOT mean that this will all come about as predicted.
(NancyL) ZT: Starvation does not create invasion, it creates lethargy.
(NancyL) ZT: China has also been successful in keeping its population in check, and in breaking into the world markets.
(NancyL) ZT: Islam is hardly wanting to engage Christianity in battle, despite the intent of terrorist groups emerging from the oppressed.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, as we have predicted, the LIKELY outcome is NOT a full battle in Iraq, and most certainly not a outbound invasion by China into other countries.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(NancyL) Did we just have a net split?
(NancyL) I think we lost a few folks, a net split. Obany, what's the status?
(NancyL) Hello, and anyone read me?
(NancyL) I guess Queen and Obany had the moderation mode on so no one but me can talk!
(NancyL) I'm going to sign off and get back on ...
Session Close: Sat Feb 22 15:04:12 2003
Session Start: Sat Feb 22 15:05:28 2003
(NancyL) Hi folks, did we have a net split?
(Obany) welcome back Nancy
(Obany) we can continue now there was a netsplit
(NancyL) I noted a whole bunch of folks disappeared, and then nobody would talk to me, etc.
(NancyL) But I think the last Q was fully answered before this occurred.
(NancyL) Bottom line, China is not planning any invasion whatsoever, etc.
(NancyL) I will take MY log for the one posted tomorrow, so any missing lines can be inserted.
(NancyL) I am ready for the Next Q or followup on the last Q
(Johnnie5) what the hell is a net split?????????
(Honor) the screen here would have said netsplit.... this was something else
(NancyL) Jonnie, this is where too many on a server or some such, the links from various servers to a single chat room can no longer be maintained, and the links are lost.
(Johnnie5) ?
(Mikhail) more attacks?
(LadyInRed) what is going on?
(JFull) ??
(GEX) netsplit
(Honor) seems like it
(TrueBlue) mars attacks
(Serbeo) HH
(Honor) nah not a netsplit
(MikeO) Question for the Zetas: Does this chat room come under deliberate attack now, and if so, who is doing this?
(Johnnie5) what's a netsplit???
(Mikhail) good question...
(Serbeo) what a SMAFU
(Zombryo) Weird...
(Starstalker) Obany, I thought Nancy was back?? Is it an imposter?
(Serbeo) SNAFU
(Honor) all servers are connected to each other on the net... when it splits they lose touch with each other
(Dim) How long until we're back on our collective feet? Obany, QueenVee, Nancy?
(Redeye) hey MikeO, good Q !
(Ralf) sorry
(GEX) totally wird
(Ralf) i came home from work to fix it
(Ralf) if that means anything to you guys. :-p
(Honor) but this was not a net split
(NancyL) I'm here and ready!
(TrueBlue) netsplit is when sister servers loose conenctions with the main hub(s).
(Serbeo) OK
(Honor) welcome back NancyL
(LadyInRed) ty Ralf
(Starstalker) Thanks Ralf!!
(CM) Queen is not
(Richard) testing
(Obany) the last answer was not answered yet
(Zombryo) Possible Q: What was that?
(GEX) Nancy Queen isn't here
(Karen) I noticed as of last night shift2003 was not updated was Queen attacked again?
(Johnnie5) will the z's tell us who is doing this?
(GEX) She has the questions for today
(Dim) Is QueenVee being attacked again?
(GEX) There she is!
(GEX) gone again
(Aaaaa) was
(GEX) lol
(Dim) Glad to have you back QueenVee.
(JFull) hi Queen
(Masisoar) Though this could still be possible as it is in the hands of man, correct?
(Earth420) Is Bush in an extra rush, trying to start war before we see planet x in daylight, end of March?
(QueenVee) hello?
(Dim) Is the U.S, government likely to try to immitate terrorist activity in the U.S. and abroad?
(Obany) hi .. yes i see you queen
(NancyL) Masisoar, correct, but I simply don't see China becomming a rogue.
(Redeye) good Q Earth
(NancyL) Bush is the rogue.
(Masisoar) Totally true :)
(NancyL) Earth, there are several deadlines: summer heat, Px visibility, etc.
(Johnnie5) damned hackers!!!
(Dim) Is Bush out of his handlers control?
(ZodUseThisOne) Nacny, is QUEEN being attacked by the GOV
(NancyL) I suspect they want to be in CONTROL of the oil, so they can then turn on the Saudi's and have this all accomplished by the PS.
(Earth420) Is the government thinking about chemical/nuclear warfare on the population, to minimize people in panic? As they obviusly dont think we are capable
(GEX) Nancy could you ask zetas if this is an attack on this channel or something else?
(Dim) Yes, is QueenVee being attacked?
(Obany) just a problem on Ralfs side i think ?
(TrueBlue) Question to all Americans - Why did you vote for a guy who clearly is reincarnation of devil himself ? :)
(NancyL) Dim, the Bush Admin has been trying to fake terrorist attacks all along, in the US, as an excuse, but this has been blocked and prevented repeatedly by the Zetas and others.
(Masisoar) As I see - It's America's time of imperalism, as Europe had their times in their past - acting like the huge bully, I guess overtime, our government will learn
(Dim) We didn't.
(NancyL) Poor Baby Bush! Nothing he does is working out!
(Numbic1) most Americans DIDN'T vote for bush
(GEX) ok Ob
(QueenVee) ready for next question, Nancy?
(Dim) We voted for Gore.
(Starstalker) TrueBlue: The MAJORITY didn't!
(Tied2) True Blue the majority voted for Gore
(NancyL) Dim, not yet, from what I see on TV, just a worried and depressed Baby Bush.
(Johnnie5) .
(Dim) Gotcha Nancy.
(NancyL) ZT to GEX: The continued attacks on Queen's well disciplined channel is due to her success in having a flowing and structured discussion.
(NancyL) ZT: The debunkers are eliminated, removed promptly as well as any good hearted folk wanting to be chatting or distracting.
(Hysterix) hey Nancy, thier was an earth quake in San Bernadino at 4.00 in the morning...I know I felt it!!
(Earth420) Me too
(Humvee) and to 16 year old ppl who got !kick 4 being rude
(NancyL) ZT: She is vicious in her intent to have a discussion CONTINUE in spite of all the panic and deliberate distraction that might ensue during these times.
(NancyL) ZT: It is not her strong hand that has brought the attacks about, but her success.
(NancyL) ZT: Many school marms who are strict are hated, resented, but they succeed in getting the lessons attended to.
(NancyL) ZT: Anyone wanting to see a different arena need only compare the #zetatalk channel in the weeks before Queen's channel started to see the chaos.
(NancyL) ZT: This was what the debunkers wanted, an utter inability of anyone to ask a civil question of the Zetas.
(NancyL) ZT: They wanted the right to post THEIR opinions, solely, or in such clutter than a newcomer reading these logs would be drown in disinformation.
(NancyL) ZT: They wanted to comandeer the stage, have it be THEIR stage.
(NancyL) ZT: The resentment, and attacks against, Queen, are because she changed this, and #zetatalk has become someone more controlled in recent weeks ONLY because they are trying to encourage Queen and all who support her to give up!
(NancyL) ZT: It would shortly go back to the old days, if she did so.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the minions are out trying to attack THIS channel, the #poleshiftdiscussion channel, but hold firm!
(NancyL) ZT: This will not last, as the Earth Changes have gotten so severe, are already leaking outside of media control, and will soon have everyone, including the debunkers, so distracted they will have other matters to attend to.
(NancyL) ZT: Bear in mind that ALL humans on Earth, even those expected to be faithful in their duties, are worried about themselves and their families and safety.
(NancyL) ZT: They do NOT ahear to their masters, when push comes to shove, and will flater in their duties increasingly.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, consider this a temporary attack, diminishing in intensity, and likely to disappear within weeks.
(NancyL) ZT: Treat is like mosquitoes, and swat them and continue!
(NancyL) End ZT to GEZ.
(NancyL) Congradulations on your success, Queen!
(NancyL) On the #zetatalk next, I have a couple accepted Q's on Brainerd Lake in MN and reasons for all the exploding factories in US lately.
(NancyL) Am I still the only one allowed to talk, I seem to be talking to myself again.
(NancyL) Since it is the hour, I am going to sign off and go to #zetatalk, I suspect another problem, will try to get back into this channel again, etc.
Session Close: Sat Feb 22 15:29:28 2003
Session Start: Sat Feb 22 15:33:54 2003
(Redeye) sly
(NancyL) I found myself talking to myself again, so went ALL the way out and back again.
(ZodUseThisOne) Chekc her IP before booting
(Beyond) the real Nancy
(Honor) that look more like her
(NancyL) Could not rejoin the funnet.org until I had disconnected and reconnected to the Internet!
(NancyL) Big time abuse here!
(Ralf-SA) Zod, i know IPs.
(ZodUseThisOne) sometime the channel; hold onto your name for a while
(Dim) The thing is that the more they do this the more it strengthens our resolve. they're hacking the wrong people.
(Honor) welcome back NancyL
(Honor) lol
(Dim) Howdy Nancy.
(NancyL) I will be posting in my LOG tomorrow all that the Zetas said, so any missed lines can be gotten that way, etc.
(NancyL) Beyond, was there someone claiming to be me?
(NancyL) If this keeps up, we will be answering Queen's accepted Q's privately, and I will be posting them as the "log" of the session :-).
(NancyL) That way, they surely don't win!
(NancyL) I noted that Powell looked happy in Asia, on the news today, and the report was that 1. the US is packing food into N. Korea, 2. if Iraq complies with UN demands, there will be no war.
(NancyL) I wondered if the Bush crowd was feeling discouraged by 1. mass anti-war protests, 2. Turkey declining, 3. the US polls showing declining support for Bush war, etc.
Session Close: Sat Feb 22 15:38:26 2003